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Andrea James
by justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
at February 24th, 2008 (08:08 pm)

Andrea James (TSRoadmap) is attempting to "out" me. Today, she published my full name on her website. I don't know how she found it, I tried Googling the email I gave and such but there were no connections. I know she has skills, she is almost making a career out of harassing transsexuals that she disagrees with, or in my case, even are open to discussing topics she disagrees with.

She was notoriously vicious with J. Michael Bailey, posting photos of his children. For the past few years, she has tried to obtain and publish any personal information she can find on individuals associated with Kiira Triea and the pro-Blanchard (HSTS/AGP) transkids.us website. Well, I was a member of the forum on that website. Now I am a target.

Now, I'm not a hardcore advocate of the Blanchard model for transsexualism. But even if I was, harassment and intimidation are not acceptable. I know publishing my full name isn't really harassment yet but I will bet money that she'll expand that. She's done it many times before.

She says that anyone who discusses the theory is a threat to the "transgender community" and it's her job to protect "them" from "us". Who made her judge, jury and executioner? I think what needs to happen is that many people need to confront her through email and say that this is not okay. I tried to tell her that and look what I got. If enough people tell her, she may realize that what she is doing is not acceptable.

It's kind of like in high school, someone attempted to physically attack me with a weapon after he found out I was gay (it was no secret, I'm surprised he didn't know). Many people stood between him and me, asking him what was going on. He was foaming at the mouth, "he... he's... gay!" People just stared at him, "... and?" He finally realized that he was in the minority and dropped the weapon. I later tried to shake his hand to show that I had no hard feelings but he wouldn't have it.

Send your emails to andrea@deepstealth.com


EDIT: I guess it helps if I link to our discussion: Transkids.us Published Server Logs

Comments

Posted by: Michelle Hall (slavelife)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 04:58 am (UTC)

Gee...the way I see it..it couldnt have happened to a nastier bit..h. Finally someone goes after you after all those times you went outta your way to harrass other people. Suck it up bit..h you sooo got this coming. Oh and BTW...I havent forgotten one thing about you and I will see you again one day...hopefully for you, you will have your running shoes on.

Posted by: Ivy (cvisors)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:15 am (UTC)

and why threaten?

why?

Posted by: who decided not to begin (serenefish)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:39 am (UTC)

Posted by: Michael (ftmichael)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 12:27 pm (UTC)

Posted by: Just an evil, hating, miserable cretin :P (super_elsbian)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:45 am (UTC)

Posted by: Kevin (ghost_of_onyx)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 11:32 am (UTC)

Posted by: Michael (ftmichael)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 12:24 pm (UTC)
Mod hat

Posted by: C & C (chaos_rains)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:02 am (UTC)
little girl

OMG that is totally crazy and I had NO idea about any of this which it's all VERY unacceptable. I'll be sure to email her.

Posted by: La Reina (belleza_mia)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:15 am (UTC)

Wait, what? Where is it even on tsroadmap.com?

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:19 am (UTC)

sorry... fixed.

Transkids.us Published Server Logs

Posted by: Ivy (cvisors)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 05:25 am (UTC)

I find outing people a dangerous game.

It should never be done.

Posted by: Laura Anne Seabrook (laura_seabrook)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 07:25 am (UTC)
Pollychrome

And one that generally comes back to haunt the outer, eventually.

Posted by: C. (terry_terrible)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:01 am (UTC)

I never liked the Transkids stuff....but this is beyond fucked up that she is doing this.

-Courtney

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:15 am (UTC)

As I told Andrea, I have always just been interested in a rational discussion of the primary/secondary or HSTS/AGP theories. Too many times discussion just explodes. I joined the transkids forum to talk about this issue because it's taboo on other forums due to it's hot-button nature (kind of like abortion and religion). Now I get this crap.

Thank you for letting her know that.

Posted by: C. (terry_terrible)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:24 am (UTC)

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:35 am (UTC)

Posted by: C. (terry_terrible)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 07:13 am (UTC)

Posted by: scorpionturtle (scorpionturtle)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:25 am (UTC)

how is posting info that can be found on a public website outing someone? for what it's worth reading that I still have no idea who you are or where you in particular were mentioned. Always smart to be aware of where your information is on the internets. I just assume that if someone wanted to out me on the internets or in person, they could. not nice, but totally a possibility.

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:30 am (UTC)

In the comment on 02/24 at 12:36 PM:

To date, the public face of the “transkids” movement has been [names removed]. Looking at the similarities among the four of you gives a clear picture of the type of person to whom this behavioral model appeals.

One of the names removed is mine. How she got that or others, I have no idea. I do not publish my last name online, especially in connection with anything TS. Hell, how she pulled my first name out of her hat, I don't know since I used my usual pseudonym.

She has gone into far more detail in previous years regarding other people from the transkids group. I'm sure she is going to go further, she said she is working on compiling information now.

Posted by: Jaclyn R. Cady (phoenixvtam)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 07:08 am (UTC)

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Posted by: Kathy (kathygnome)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 01:29 pm (UTC)

"Was Blanchard 100% wrong? No. Is Bailey 100% wrong. "

See actually they are 100% wrong because they claim their theory describes _all_ transpeople and not some transpeople.

As far as the entire thing. I tend to agree that Andrea needs to get some perspective. But the transkids deal was a bunch of sock puppets going out and griefing forums with endless "debates" that were little more than B&B fundamentalists invading forums. There are good reasons for people to want to know who was really who.

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Posted by: waxmedusa (waxmedusa)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 03:45 pm (UTC)

Posted by: C. (terry_terrible)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC)

Posted by: kicey (kicey)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 01:17 pm (UTC)

I remember reading about Andrea James' attack on Michael Bailey by posting pictures of his kids... that screams "mentally unstable" to me.

Posted by: Jessica (gesundyke)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 02:26 pm (UTC)

I'm so sorry this happened.

Outing people just isn't cool... there's a special circle in hell for the person that outed you.

*hugs tight* is there anything we can do to help aside from telling your out-er that what they're doing is a big freakin' no-no?

Posted by: waxmedusa (waxmedusa)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)

Outing you was definitely inappropriate as was posting what appear to be personal e-mails without, seemingly, permission from the other correspondant. It's saddening. I would hope that we could disagree with one another civilly or even if not always civilly could keep some perspective. Personally, I think Bailey and Blanchard are pseudoscientists who pose a huge threat to the transcommunity so I understand Ms. James' outrage...I share it. At the same time, those tactics are just not acceptable.

Posted by: waxmedusa (waxmedusa)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 03:55 pm (UTC)
Follow Up

That said, posting here to ask people who have no dog in this fight to en masse e-mail Ms. James sounds a bit harassing itself.

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:41 pm (UTC)
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Posted at: February 26th, 2008 12:20 am (UTC)
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Posted at: February 26th, 2008 12:42 am (UTC)
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Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 03:46 am (UTC)
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Posted by: transgressor (transgressor)
Posted at: February 27th, 2008 12:18 am (UTC)
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Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 27th, 2008 12:32 am (UTC)
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Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 08:27 am (UTC)
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Posted by: aki_no_kaze (aki_no_kaze)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 09:41 pm (UTC)
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Posted by: transgressor (transgressor)
Posted at: February 27th, 2008 01:23 am (UTC)
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Posted at: February 27th, 2008 01:26 am (UTC)
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Posted at: February 27th, 2008 12:33 am (UTC)
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Posted by: Butterface (butterface)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:56 pm (UTC)
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Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 08:26 pm (UTC)
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Posted by: A shemale (shemale)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 06:01 am (UTC)
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Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 07:59 am (UTC)
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Posted by: A shemale (shemale)
Posted at: February 27th, 2008 02:05 am (UTC)
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Posted by: Kristin (kristalin)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 04:23 pm (UTC)

Well that just... sucks. It looks like she took down your last name at least, though based on her edited comment, did you try to get a hold of her before you made this post? Even if you did, if im reading the timeline here, you didnt even wait a full 24 hours to make a post here. Like andrea noted, thats a lot more attention to your personal info than trying to get her to remove it. I'm not backing her up, there is NO good reason for her posting that info, I'm just curious.

I guess everyone has an ugly side, and Andrea's is showing at the moment. Hopefully that wont detract too much from the contributions she's made. Its just a reminder that we're all human and make mistakes I suppose.

Doesnt change the fact it makes me sad to see someone I looked up to in the community resorting to those kind of tactics. Its one thing to go after people trying to sham us out of money, its another thing entirely to go after people personally, I dont care if those people are the next incarnation of Hitler, its just not cool to drop down to their level. She apparently doesnt care what people think of her tactics either, that makes me sadder. Sigh.

Posted by: justanormalgirl (justanormalgirl)
Posted at: February 25th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)

Actually, Andrea's showed hers for years. My response was based on her history. She is not a random person, she is someone who has made almost a career out of harassing people.

I struck up a conversation when she gave notice that she was going to start publishing what she found on our private forum and personal information about the participants (including me). Our forum was hacked a while ago, Kiira had to clean up a bunch of posts which were made with her name. It's quite possible that Andrea James was behind it (but obviously Kiira has the server logs). A more low-tech way to obtain the information would be to somehow create an online persona that could gain the trust of another member and be admitted (because of past harassment by Andrea James, we tried to make it a very tight-knit group).

You read the exchange, I was trying to tell her not to harass people and she brought me into it. I told my ex-girlfriend and she asked me if it's smart for her to email Andrea and tell her not to do it or if Andrea is just going to lash out at her too. She suggested using a temporary email box (like Mailinator) but I told her that it would just make Andrea say that she was my "sockpuppet". I don't know what Andrea is going to do to the people who email her on my behalf, perhaps they convinced her to blank out my last name.

If I'm in the crosshairs then you better be damned sure that I'm going to fight back.

Now, this is not victory, she only blanked out my last name and no one else's. She still maintains extensive sub-websites regarding particular individuals she doesn't like. She is still planning to publish private information on other people. This isn't over yet.

My ex-girlfriend asked me if she should even bother emailing Andrea, considering this woman is rather unstable and vicious. It's like when people counter-protest the "God Hates Fags"/"God Hates America" people, you know it just riles them up more and makes them convinced they're fighting the good fight. But it lets the general public know that this is not acceptable behavior. As I told Andrea, seven years ago, when I was 16 and just coming out, her site (along with Antijen and a couple others) were crucial. Now, she has lost all respect in my eyes for her behavior since then. If more people know how she harasses people (not just big figures like Kiira Tirea, J. Michael Bailey and Anne Lawrence but even me and you), then hopefully it will detract from her success and people will realize that she is not someone to look up to.

Our bishop spoke at our church on Sunday, afterwards we had a Q&A regarding his plans for our diocese (he was only elected six months ago) and the national Episcopal church at large (there is awful turmoil over the status of gay unions and their ordination, among other issues). In it, he mentioned former bishop John Shelby Spong and referred to him as a "fundamentalist on the other end". I thought that was an interesting way to put it. With Andrea James' opposition to conversation (which was emphasized in the bishop's sermon) and her vicious tactics, I would apply that label to her as well.

She is not the type of person I want representing our community in the media.

Posted by: aki_no_kaze (aki_no_kaze)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 09:45 pm (UTC)

Posted by: C & C (chaos_rains)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 02:28 am (UTC)
Modelsque

Alright I emailed Andrea, in a very polite manner. I still don't know what the whole thing was but from what I gather you should probably direct this directly to her. If you both could maturely agree to disagree and maybe not post on communities with email addresses that would rpobably be for the best. I shared my opinion about the "outing" incident but this too probably doesn't need to be put up in here any more.

She was very polite while emailing me back and if you talk to her with respect and curtisy, I'm sure you two could work it out.

Posted by: A shemale (shemale)
Posted at: February 26th, 2008 06:32 am (UTC)

You've been sucked into an anti-scientific, self-identification-sabotaging paradigm on trans women constructed by cis people (for the sole purpose of making their careers) that easily lends itself to either self-hate or a sense of moral superiority as well as to the support of a trans hierarchy and you come here looking for people to defend you when you're attacked for it, asking for help from the very people whose identities and sometimes very real access to health care are denied as a result of your model, all the while juxtaposing the insane eVigilante trans women who attack you for your perspective with violent homophobes as if there is an institutional inequality wherein they are your oppressors?

How unreasonable of you.

And Andrea James is a psychotic, ridiculous, bitter bitch.

Frankly, you both disgust me.

Posted by: Ashley (profgreen)
Posted at: February 27th, 2008 04:48 am (UTC)

You deserve this. Anyone who even remotely advocates for HBS, HSTS, 1st/2nd transsexuals deserves what they get. Its tantamount to hate speech.

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